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Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:27 pm
by Nicene Creeder
Did Sony/Columbia engage in a campaign (several campaigns) to get the Nobel award? Of course it did. Awards sell records. Bob was never into awards. Prior to Sony buying CBS Records/Columbia in 1988, Bob had been nominated 9 times and won once (he was also included in George Harrison's Concert for Bangladesh) in 27 years. Since Sony has been involved (over another 27 years), he has been nominated 30 times, winning 10 times. Clearly Sony is playing the music industry game. They are protecting and enhancing their assests (Dylan's music). A Nobel prize will enhance this catalogue of music. Frankly, if the Nobel wasn't politicized and commercialized (and it clearly is), Dylan should have won this award 30 years ago.

Are songs poetry?
Can songs be poems?
Many in the literary world would say no. I say yes.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37637797

Should Dylan accept the award from the family of the inventor of dynamite (a master of war)?

Re: Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:09 pm
by clubFan
Nicene Creeder wrote:Did Sony/Columbia engage in a campaign (several campaigns) to get the Nobel award? Of course it did. Awards sell records. Bob was never into awards. Prior to Sony buying CBS Records/Columbia in 1988, Bob had been nominated 9 times and won once (he was also included in George Harrison's Concert for Bangladesh) in 27 years. Since Sony has been involved (over another 27 years), he has been nominated 30 times, winning 10 times. Clearly Sony is playing the music industry game. They are protecting and enhancing their assests (Dylan's music). A Nobel prize will enhance this catalogue of music. Frankly, if the Nobel wasn't politicized and commercialized (and it clearly is), Dylan should have won this award 30 years ago.

Are songs poetry?
Can songs be poems?
Many in the literary world would say no. I say yes.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37637797

Should Dylan accept the award from the family of the inventor of dynamite (a master of war)?



Are you making a point here?

Re: Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:09 pm
by Rosario FC
clubFan wrote:
Nicene Creeder wrote:Did Sony/Columbia engage in a campaign (several campaigns) to get the Nobel award? Of course it did. Awards sell records. Bob was never into awards. Prior to Sony buying CBS Records/Columbia in 1988, Bob had been nominated 9 times and won once (he was also included in George Harrison's Concert for Bangladesh) in 27 years. Since Sony has been involved (over another 27 years), he has been nominated 30 times, winning 10 times. Clearly Sony is playing the music industry game. They are protecting and enhancing their assests (Dylan's music). A Nobel prize will enhance this catalogue of music. Frankly, if the Nobel wasn't politicized and commercialized (and it clearly is), Dylan should have won this award 30 years ago.

Are songs poetry?
Can songs be poems?
Many in the literary world would say no. I say yes.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37637797

Should Dylan accept the award from the family of the inventor of dynamite (a master of war)?



Are you making a point here?


:?:

he/she was asking a question.

Re: Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:59 pm
by Devotchik

Should Dylan accept the award from the family of the inventor of dynamite (a master of war)?


Well, one would think that as it has been announced that he has already accepted. And that as someone qualified has to nominate them he might've known about the nomination. Should he accept it.. yeah. Is it too politicised these days.. yeah. His output is lyrically based on both poetic and musically historic artforms and traditions. Its not only inspired musicians but also others either politically or within society. I think its a controversial choice and yes some people won't be too happy about it but then again he's courted controversy since he began.

Re: Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize

PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:54 am
by clubFan
Rosario FC wrote:
clubFan wrote:
Nicene Creeder wrote:Did Sony/Columbia engage in a campaign (several campaigns) to get the Nobel award? Of course it did. Awards sell records. Bob was never into awards. Prior to Sony buying CBS Records/Columbia in 1988, Bob had been nominated 9 times and won once (he was also included in George Harrison's Concert for Bangladesh) in 27 years. Since Sony has been involved (over another 27 years), he has been nominated 30 times, winning 10 times. Clearly Sony is playing the music industry game. They are protecting and enhancing their assests (Dylan's music). A Nobel prize will enhance this catalogue of music. Frankly, if the Nobel wasn't politicized and commercialized (and it clearly is), Dylan should have won this award 30 years ago.

Are songs poetry?
Can songs be poems?
Many in the literary world would say no. I say yes.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37637797

Should Dylan accept the award from the family of the inventor of dynamite (a master of war)?



Are you making a point here?


:?:

he/she was asking a question.


Actually 4 by my count. (Unless you're using metric, Bazza.)

Is SONY's involvement relevant? There's not much evidence to suggest this will invigorate Zimmy's back catalog any. This is clearly a prestige exercize.

Should Dylan accept the prize, originally funded from sales of dynamite and, don't forget, Bofors guns, which has gone previously and questionably to Henry Kissinger (to name just one head-scratcher of a recipient)? Of course he should. Because it places him in the company of genuine artists who deserve the recognition. He can keep the prize necklace as a conversation piece and donate the money to another cause if he so desires. I realize Malibu is an expensive place to live, but he's not starving.

Re: Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize

PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:54 pm
by Rosario FC
clubFan wrote:Actually 4 by my count. (Unless you're using metric, Bazza.)


I read the others as rhetorical :)

Re: Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize

PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:42 am
by Nicene Creeder
Apparently Bob hasn't made it easy for the committee to contact him. http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7542124/bob-dylan-nobel-prize-contact
Whether the Nobel is really noble is a matter of opinion. Le marchand de la mort est mort?
Awards and the Nobel makes money http://time.com/4531503/bob-dylan-spotify-nobel-prize/

Re: Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize

PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:36 pm
by Nicene Creeder
Apparently a few in the Nobel crowd may have turned on Dylan.
http://www.nme.com/news/bob-dylan-nobel ... nt-1725570